To Gary Hill, who I promised to remember in my will, I want to
say, "Hi, Gary."
Lewis Grizzard's will
INTERVIEWS WITH NEMBRIONIC HAMMERDEATH AND CONSOLATION
by Andor Bik and Richard Karsmakers
After releasing the excellent split CD "Beautyfilth / Tempter",
things appear to be looking up for Consolation and Nembrionic
Hammerdeath, two Dutch bands that I suppose can be classified as
technical speed metal with a frayed edge of hardcore. But I'm no
great classifier of bands, so never mind me.
Recently these two bands supported upcoming Swedish metallers At
The Gates. Reason sufficient to check out a gig at Den Deel, a
local venue that had them booked as a late afternoon gig. And, of
course, there would be the possibility of an interview.
Local youths were playing with miniature guns around us as we
retreated to a corner of the parking lot of Jehudi of Consolation
and Noel Rule of Nembrionic Hammerdeath. The kids were, quite
literally, pains in the butt. They have really resolved me to
refrain from hurling some of these pieces of scum on earth myself
for quite a few years.
Nembrionic had to play first so, just to be on the safe side, we
started with Noel Rule.
Well, why don't you start with saying who you are, what you do
and when you were born.
Noel: Well, I'm Noel Rule, drummer of Nembrionic Hammerdeath. I
was born in Koog aan de Zaan, November 11th 1970.
What have you done before you got involved with Nembrionic?
Noel: I did a lot. I started taking drumming lessons at nine,
been in many classical orchestras, bands, pop bands, everything.
Played guitar, too, and've been bass player in a commercial pop
band. Performed with that, been on TV and radio, the works.
That commercial pop band, what kind of thing was that?
Noel: One of those things for parties and weddings, just for the
money. We played for the money and, more or less, were used as
whore. That was frustrating. At a certain stage I was in
Nembrionic already, which got to be more fun and more successful,
and not long after that I left the pop band. That was bad,
because it made good money. But I played music there that I
didn't like and I was bass player and singer, something I didn't
like either. Drums is more my thing.
What's the history of Nembrionic, in short?
Noel: It was originally a project of Marco (Bor, ED.), our
singer/guitarist. At the time he was in Mutilated Bones, which
was probably Holland's worst band. Then suddenly there was
Nembrionic Hammerdeath, a project of two members of Mutilated
Bones and some more people. A gathering of sorts. When Mutilated
Bones split, they gave me a call whether I'd like to join. Not
much later we started making music seriously. That was, er, in
Where do you get your influences?
Noel: Anywhere and nowhere. We listen to a lit of different
styles that we like. I am a big Kiss fan. I only listen to Kiss
and Golden Earring. Marco is more a fusion kind of guy, and also
listens to David Bowie and that sort of thing. Dennis is more
into death metal and underground. And Jamil is into hip-hop,
really. Because we like anything, basically, we try to put that
in our music, too. Our next CD will be filled to the gills with
grindcore, heavy metal, black metal, death metal, all kinds.
How does the audience react to this diversitude of genres?
Noel: Well, they either love it or hate it. At least that's what
I think. People who want to headbang and act tough really
don't like the CD too much, but others, the ones that want to
listen for its hidden depths if you will, like it a lot. At
performances we only play the louder stuff. You really got to
kick ass then, you can't play some of the more classic stuff on
nights like that.
Will you continue like this in the future?
Noel: Well, er, not specifically this way, but we'll continue
doing what occurs to us and what we love. We do it more for
ourselves than for the audience, and I think you can hear that.
We have a great measure of artistic and musical freedoms because
we're co-founders of Displeased Records. We can determine for
ourselves what it'll be like. Displeased runs OK, so I guess
there's a good future in that.
What occupies you most, except for mixing musical styles?
Noel: Well, we don't have a particular message if that's what
you mean. In the early days our lyrics were a bit satanic, but
right now it's just all kinds of stuff. On the next CD, for
example, will be a song called "Bulldozer", a song about sex
sounding typically like Motorhead. Just a cool song. I don't care
a fig's leaf about lyrics myself.
The CD mentions that you're proud of your multi-cultural
origins. What kinds of blood can be found in the band?
Noel: We're not specifically against racism - we're against it,
just not *specifically* - but we do have all kinds of origins. I
myself am a third Surinam, a third Indian and a third Dutch. We
also have Moroccan, Dennis is supposed to be Turkish or French,
too, Marco is a real jew, we're all kinds, and we're rather proud
of it. The next CD might have more of it, I mean we'll be using
more different percussion instruments, some more swinging stuff.
Is Nembrionic a full-time effort?
Noel: No, we all work as well. I am a salesman as Ikea myself.
Marco is a graphic designer. Jamil is still at school. We're all
busy but we do want to keep out jobs. Nembrionic doesn't earn us
enough money to stay afloat. That's quite difficult in the music
What's your favourite band?
Noel: Well, Kiss. Marco's is David Bowie, I believe, and black
metal bands like Venom and Slayer. Dennis changes every month, I
believe. Terrorizor or something. Jamil is Malevolant, Suicidal,
House of Pain, and all kinds of hip-hop stuff.
Who's your favourite drummer? Peter Criss?
Noel: No, absolutely not. He's got a certain style I like, but
no. For years it was Cesar Zuiderwijk (of Golden Earring, ED.),
but right now I just don't really now. Perhaps the guy in
Confessor. I looked at him a lot in recent years. Many drummers
have a specific good thing and a bad thing. I don't really have
any favourites. There are so many good drummers.
Noel: What kind of question is that? But I know..."Turks Fruit"
(a Dutch film with plenty of sex, although it was literary, it
Noel: I'm dyslectic, so I don't read a lot of books. The only
book I read all through was the story of the Golden Earring. I
don't read books.
Noel: Sharon Stone.
Noel: Juice, Martini, and water.
Well, now some words to react to...God.
Noel: God, yeah, what's to say to that? I am not religious or
something, and I'm not against it either. None of both. It just
doesn't occupy me at all.
Noel: It shouldn't exist. It's very difficult to decide on that.
It just isn't right.
Noel: Good friends, good record company, with a lot going for it
in the future.
The nasty brats have by now discovered that an interview is
taking place here. I am definitely going to let my line of the
family tree die out. Cross my heart and hope to die.
Noel: When I'm bored I turn it on (smiles).
Noel: I am not into that. Can be funny, regarding aggression and
all. Some people are into it so much that it's really childish.
Fun at times. In Rotterdam there's a band called Funeral Winds...
Jehudi: Funeral Wimps (smiles)...
Noel: ...and they are against us because they think we're a
bunch of morons who behave like satanists but wear white T-shirts
nonetheless. That's really childish, I think. When you believe in
god or satanism, no problem with me, but don't push it onto
others. Keep it to yourself.
Noel: Has to be possible, to a certain extent. I sometimes smoke
some weed, and people that do cocaine should basically just know
their limits. I think junks are pathetic. I can't stand them;
they need professional help.
Noel: Seems really interesting. Quite exciting. I'm a bit afraid
of it, because of everything I'll leave behind, but I am curious.
Not to such extent that I'd...er...kill myself. But I guess it
would be quite an experience. Then again, maybe not.
Noel: *Does* make you happy. I know what it's like *not* to have
money at all. It's a pain in the ass because you have to borrow
money all the time and you don't make any friends that way.
Noel: The drummer is a Kiss fan. I heard their CD and I really
liked the first few songs but, like with Fear Factory, I reckoned
I'd heard most of it after that. They are being hyped far too
I have to direct some genuinely evil looks at the children when
they discover they get some of our attention when they aim their
toy machine guns at us and start shooting. God I hate kids.
Noel: They're my heroes. They used to be and they still are,
because they are the first band that brought the aggression and
the show element in the metal scene. And they did that in a very
smart way. They're businessmen who looked at how they wanted
things done, with regard to promotion, what the fans wanted,
merchandising. That had never happened before, except with the
Beatles. I regard them as the gods of metal. They started with it
all, and they didn't get the Life Time Achievement Award for
Demi Jane Melody (Noel's baby daughter).
Noel: (His eyes light up) The sweetest child in the world. She's
extremely smart and she already loves music now. Unfortunately I
don't live together with her mother anymore, I don't have a
complete little family, but Demi is my great everything, my
example, and I'm going to make sure she's on every record I make.
On the CD itself or on a picture, because I am really, really
proud of her.
Thrash Racism (a festival in Amsterdam this summer that got
cancelled just before it was supposed to happen; Nembrionic and
Consolation had to play there, among others).
Noel: David Dillan. It's nasty how it went, and I don't know
whether I should blame him or not. If you arrange a festival you
have to be sure of your business. First get money and then get
people, bands, a P.A. and the like. Many promises but few deeds.
This guy probably ruined it for the rest of his life. A shame.
Noel: (Glances at Jehudi, who sits next to him) Good friends,
good band. Serious. Loud. Crude.
Jehudi: Maybe you'd better ask that question again when you're
alone with him (laughs).
What will the future bring for Nembrionic Hammerdeath?
Noel: Surprises. A lot of surprises. We're really impulsive and
we're open to everything.
Next person in line was Jehudi, guitarist in Consolation. The CD
cover had him on it with really long hair, but in front of us we
find an almost totally bald bloke, purportedly because he was
sick and tired of the long hair. We continue quickly, without
further interruptions by shitty kids that have vanished and
that are now probably bothering other people - parents,
Right. Date and place of birth?
Jehudi: I'm Jehudi, born in Alkmaar, October 30th 1974, and I
play guitar in Consolation. Toep, our drummer, is a few weeks
older than me. Dennis is 26 or something, and his birthday is in
October, too. Mano, our singer, also has it in October. Rein, our
bass player, is the only one who's got his birthday somewhere
else. He's 23 or something, I believe.
What does the name Manoloxx actually mean, the name your singer
Jehudi: He's called Mano Levito or something. It's just
something he assumed.
So there are no deeper biblical or satanic meanings behind it?
Jehudi: Oh no, not at all. He's a very social fellow actually.
He really likes satanic music as such, but the satanist mentally,
gee, that's totally wrong. It goes against my grain. I think it's
almost scary, but I like that music. May sound contradictory, but
I like their aggressive kind of music.
What did you do before Consolation?
Jehudi: I started playing the guitar at 14, even had lessons
from a very good Music School teacher, Leonard Schumana (?), who
is really brilliant. I took lessons from him for 3 or 4 years,
and sometimes even now. I played in no other bands other than
Consolation. I started as a bass player. Bought a bass guitar
when a spot became available because I had always been a fan, you
know, and at a certain instant a guitarist left so I just moved
up. I've been with them now for almost 3 years.
Do you know something of the others, I mean what they did
Jehudi: The band started out with Chiel, the first drummer, and
Dennis - who plays in Nembrionic *and* Consolation. About five
years ago he founded the band. They couldn't play any instruments
but they started the band anyway, which was at the time called
Goreflix (Goreflicks?, ED.). Slowly it became more serious and
some people left and others joined, until at a certain instant
Dennis was the only original member left. And now we've got Toep,
who's been in Surf Throat (?) together with Rein, our bassist.
Mano has also been in a band but I can't recall the name. He's
also lived on Aruba for 15 years where he also had a band.
Where do you get your inspiration from?
Jehudi: I think from some of the louder bands, such as
Suffocation, Terrorizer, Brutal Truth. Our drummer also really
likes those, the underground band that just go "grgrgrgrgrgrgr",
he really likes that. I like that, too, heavy, aggressive metal.
So do you have a message with your music or, like Nembrionic,
none at all really?
Jehudi: That changes per song. It's just whatever strikes us.
The singer writes most lyrics, but sometimes we influence him a
bit. We don't have specific messages to get across.
Your background is also rather multi-cultural. What have you got
Jehudi: It's not too much. Mano is Aruban, half I believe, and I
think I've got something German or French but not much of it.
Dennis is unknown. It doesn't reflect much in our music, I think.
It's just really loud, because our drummer can handle that, and
really technical, because that's what Dennis and me like. Playing
interesting music, that's what it boils down to for me.
Is Consolation a full-time thing?
Jehudi: Not at all. I study at the University of Amsterdam,
Social Geography. Toep does school, too, Mano is the diary chief
at a local supermarket and Dennis is a telephone salesman at a
bakery factory. Rein is unemployed now, but he used to work with
Fokker. He's a victim of recent cuts there.
How do people react to your music?
Jehudi: We've been in the shadow of Nembrionic rather long, and
I really didn't like that. But we're really good friends. It's
quite easy, we share gear and usually perform together. In
general, audiences think we're pretty loud. If people like loud
music I think they would like us.
What's your favourite band?
Jehudi: Well, personally, I really like Michael Jackson (grins
evilly)...no, I like especially Terrorizer and really loud music
to listen to at home. I listen to a lot of hip-hop, too, and
those Pantera kind of things. Just about everything, really.
Who's your favourite guitarist?
Jehudi: Joe Satriani, number one, absolutely.
Jehudi: Film is "Clockwork Orange". Book is Tolkien, that
series with "The Hobbit" and all. Food...I guess Indian, I think.
Woman: Indian, too. Sitie (his girlfriend, ED.). Fave drink is
beer. Really easy.
Now for the words to react to. I'll try to mix them up a bit so
you won't have to reply to them in the same sequence as Noel.
Let's start with...money.
Jehudi: I don't like it being there, but you can't do without
it. It's a means of power.
Jehudi: That's really sad, the easiest way to show your
frustrations, I think.
Jehudi: I think it's a bloody shame things went the way they
did, but it's been like that for 500 years or something.
Something from the Mongol empire and all Serbs fled to Croatia
and there was suddenly a lot of frustration and a few killings
and now there's a civil war. I don't get it...shooting your own
neighbours and all that.
Jehudi: Everybody should know that for himself. But people
shouldn't try to push it onto others.
Jehudi: OK when I'm bored (laughs).
Jehudi: We owe them a lot.
Jehudi: Don't know 'em.
Jehudi: Brilliant, yes, a really excellent band. There are a
whole, play together very well, and are good friends. Our
drummers differ a lot so they can play stuff we can't, and the
other way around.
How does Dennis keep up being in two bands?
Jehudi: Well, he manages and he likes it, I think. I think it
would be cool to be in two bands. But Consolation is really *his*
band. He's the leader of the pack. In Nembrionic, that's Marco.
He's the one that writes the songs. Dennis writes most of
Consolation's stuff, though I also help him sometimes. He does
bookings very well. He can sell by phone, and that's how he sells
the bands. He always knows how to impress people with his
What does the future bring for Consolation, do you think?
Jehudi: I'm really curious, because I don't have a clue myself.
But I think the music will be really loud. We want to increase,
not get weaker. I personally thought the split CD was too slow
already, and I would have liked it louder. I really like loud and
freaky bits. Strange things will happen, we'll put a lot of stuff
in our music.
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