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AN INTERVIEW WITH FATES WARNING
by Marijn Vermunt and Richard Karsmakers
When did I get into Fates Warning? I don't recall exactly. I do
know that I'd been walking around literally for ages with the
knowledge that they were very much like Queensrÿche (or at least
supposedly so) and that I should dig them one day.
At a certain instance, Metal Blade released the first four
albums as two double CDs at single CD price, so I decided to
grasp my chance and got them. They were really good CDs. A
friend of mine had "Parallels" so I taped that off him, the day
after which I decided I liked that tape so much that I actually
got the CD, too. "Perfect Symmetry" was the only album that
lacked in my collection, so I reckoned I might get that one as
well. Ever since that time I've liked Fates Warning and grouped
them together with bands like Rush, Queensrÿche and Dream Theater
in the much appreciated "progressive rock" genre.
Originally this interview was supposed to be done by Marijn
Vermunt, editor of "Avalanche" magazine, but eventually he turned
out not to be available on that particular late afternoon and as
I was there to do Dream Theater anyway he made me take care of
the honours.
Massacre contact person Jaap Wagemaker was communicated with,
who made a 15:30 appointment for me with main Fates Warning man
Jim Mattheos.
Jim was an hour and a half late, apparently after having found
the way to Utrecht's best record shop, White Noise. But
eventually he turned up and sat down to have a rather relaxing
talk. I immediately started with the usual question...
Allright, when and where were you born?
Jim: On November 22nd 1962, in Springfield, Massachusetts.
What did you do before Fates Warning? I believe you were called
Misfit for a while?
Jim: Only very briefly, for about 6 months or 4 months. Myself
and Steve Zimmermann, our first drummer, had kindof a cover band
together, we played Accept and early Scorpions, Angelwitch,
Picture and Iron Maiden and stuff like that. We played together
for a while and decided we wanted to do originals. Through
various channels we hooked up with John (Arch, ED.) and Vic
(Victor Arduini, guitar, ED.). I think I met Steve through an ad
in the paper actually. I was starting to get into a band and he
was looking for a cover band that was into the obscure things we
were doing.
I guess you could say that you are the most important music
writer in Fates Warning. I'd like to know who influences you
most.
Jim: These days I don't really think I am consciously influenced
by a lot of people. Sure, subconsciously I am influenced by a lot
of people. When I think of infuences I think of people that
originally made me want to write and become a guitar player. And
then I go back to my really early influences, early seventies,
like Genesis and even [Black] Sabbath and Rainbow and things like
that. And you don't see those influences in our music now, at
least I don't think you will.
Now let's get back in time to 1984, to your first album, "Night
on Brocken". Why was the original artwork replaced?
Jim: Well, you've obviously seen the original artwork, which was
really hideous. We were never really happen with it. I believe
Metal Blade at the time thought it might boost sales if we did
another cover for it. So they did a second cover which was almost
as bad as the first one. The second one was a witch burning at
the stake, a kindof greyish blue cover. Then there came a third
one, with the moon and the logos. We didn't have control over the
second two. We just happened to see them in a record store one
day, so we had no control over that.
Forward to 1988, was there a special idea behind the entire B
side of "No Exit", the long song "The Ivory Gate of Dreams"?
Jim: Of course, yeah. This is hard for me to remember and it's
difficult to catch a 22 minute song in a brief conversation. I
think it had to do a lot with losing your idealism and your
dreams as you get older, finding out that you're not going to be
able to do all the things you wanted to do. I guess the current
of disillusion runs through the whole song. Of course I was
disillusioned with the music business, that's always a big theme.
And just personal goals. I am sure everyone has personal goals
when they're young. You're trying for those things and reaching
for those goals and due to circumstances you don't always get
what you want. It's just the process of growing up.
Some people say "Inside Out", your latest album, is very much or
perhaps even too much like your previous effort, "Parallels".
What's your reaction to that?
Jim: I think there's a grain of truth in that. A lot of times
there's a drastic change from album to album. From "Awaken the
Guardian" to "No Exit" there was a drastic change, and from "No
Exit" to "Perfect Symmetry" there was a drastic change. I guess a
lot of times it had to do with the writer, myself, being not
really happy with the previous effort. Whereas "Parallels", for
the first time, I can speak for myself, I was really happy with
the album. Even two years later I can listen to the album and
feel really pleased with it the whole way through. And due to
that, when it became time to write the next album, I didn't feel
a great need to go off in a different direction, I was very happy
with the style of music I'd done on the last album. To be totally
objective about it, I think it might be a bit too close to
"Parallels", I think I can say that. It's not bad, though,
because it's my favourite album to this point.
I understand you've released a compilation album. Please tell me
why fans should or should not get it.
Jim: I hope they'll get it. There are some things on there that
the ardent Fates Warning fans would like to hear. There's a
remix done by Jimbo Barton of "When I Say Goodbye". It's a really
interesting remix actually, it takes a really different direction
from what's on the album. There's an unreleased song from "Inside
out" which is actually kindof an early version of "Shelter Me".
Em...what else is on there? There's a version of "At Fate's
Hands" on there called "At Fate's Fingers" which was a re-
recording of that song for the "Guitar for the Practising
Musician" compilation album (Volume 2, ED.). It's instrumental,
and there's a few extra guitar solos and a few bits that we left
off when we originally recorded it, that got mixed back in.
Some time ago there was this story going around about your
wanting to do a solo project with former Fates Warning singer
John Arch. Is that in the fridge and, if not, what is the current
status?
Jim: It was never really a solid plan, it was just more or less,
you know, I talked to John often and I'd like to work with him
and I am sure he'd like to do something if our schedules could
ever meet. There's no solid plans for it but every time when we
talk to each other we say, "yeah, we have to do something." But
there's a small period of time, I think between "Perfect
Symmetry" and "Parallels", when we've written a few songs
together. I don't remember what happened, we never got anywhere
with it. I have the demo somewhere though. Maybe the future. I'd
like to do something with him. Like I said, we talk often and
we're still really good friends.
Could you name something good and something bad about being in
Fates Warning.
Jim: There's a lot of good things, actually, like just being
here. I love travelling, I love to go around the world. It's fun
for me. Writing and recording music is something I love to do. I
think I could do that with any other band, but this bands allows
me a lot of freedom and I can more or less do whatever I want. I
have a lot of free reign to express myself, and in another band I
might not have that, so that's a good outlet for me.
I don't know if there's anything specifically bad about being in
this band. There are many bad things about just being hooked up
with the music industry in general, whether you're in Fates
Warning or any other band. There's still a lot of politics and
you can't do everything creatively in the music business because
there are restraints and constraints on you all the time.
If you had to pick a guitar player to trade places with, who
would it be?
Jim: I am not sure if I'd want to trade places with anybody.
There are certainly a few guitar players that are, you know, like
gods to me. Michael Schenker would be one of them, but based on
his personal situation I don't know if I'd want to trade places
with him. I certainly wouldn't mind having his talent. He's
definitely up there, and when I grew up he definitely was the
person who I emulated most, I learned all the solos and
everything else.
Now for the almost obligatory total cliché question: What is
your favourite drink, and what's your favourite food?
Jim: My favourite drink would be wine. Food? Tough call. Tough
call. I'd have to say probably Indian food. I like Indian food a
lot.
Which book, read recently, made most of an impression on you?
Jim: I read a lot. Most recently I read a book called "The Moral
Animal" by Robert Wright, which is very interesting, about
evolutionary psychology. Very interesting. And on the fiction
side, I read a lot of fiction, too, I'd say Jack Kerouac. I've
been reading a lot of him recently.
And what about films?
Jim: I am not a big film guy. People are always amazed at the
movies I've not seen. I haven't seen movies in probably something
like 10 years.
Which person or persons would you really like to meet one day?
Jim: There's quite a few actually. It's one of those questions
where it's difficult to pinpoint one. Maybe Joaquin Rodrigo, he's
a big influence. He's a Spanish composer. Maybe Roger Waters. I'd
like to meet him, I'm sure, yeah. I loved the Pink Floyd cover
that Dream Theater did at yesterday's performance. And Steve
Hogarth.
What is to you the music release of 1994?
Jim: I have to say, hands down, Sarah McLoughlin, "Tumbling
towards Ecstasy".
What song would you like to be played, in many years from now,
on your funeral?
Jim: (Laughs) That's a bit maudlin, isn't it? Em...I can't think
of anything too clever for that. I'd say "Concerto di Arague" by
Rodrigo.
What was the worst moment in your life so far?
Jim: Certainly there's plenty of them. Everybody has his bad
moments. Em...one that pertains to the band would probably
opening to Pantera in Chicago, a few years back. We were boo-ed
and thrown off the stage. That was a very embarrassing moment. It
was an experiment on our part which failed very badly. We simply
weren't compatible.
Now for the "words to react to" section. Please react briefly,
candidly and spontaneously. It's free association time!
Kevin Moore.
Jim: Great.
Queensrÿche.
Jim: Good.
Dream Theater.
Jim: Friends.
MTV.
Jim: Dead.
O.J. Simpson.
Jim: Boring. Both the trial and him.
Touring.
Jim: Tedious, especially when you're only doing a 45 minute set.
Chris Cronk (the singer who replaced John Arch before Ray Alder,
but who never actually recorded with the band).
Jim: Drunk.
Metal Blade.
Jim: I've already blown the first thing that comes in my mind
(laughs). Pass. I don't wanna do that one.
The Netherlands.
Jim: Nice. I like it here.
That's it for this interview, unless you want to say something
about the fact that Fates Warning has a bit of a bad name as to
touring and cancelling, a chance to redeem yourself.
Jim: I would say 99% of them were not our fault. The only show
that we've actually personally cancelled was the Dynamo Open Air
show last year. Everything else, there are shady promoters out
there who say we're coming but who've never talked to us. I won't
apologise because it wasn't our fault except for the Dynamo
festival which I do and have many times apologised for to the
press and record company people. If people think we're concert
cancellers, well, screw them.
In walks vocalist Ray Alder, so I get the chance to ask him a
few questions, too. The first of these being, of course, where
and when he was born.
Ray: I was born on August 20th 1967, in Hondo, Texas.
What do you think of Geoff Tate, the singer that you're quite
often compared with?
Ray: Good singer. Good voice. Style. I don't see at all why we
are compared often. All I see is that we scream high notes every
now and again. I think he's a great singer, but he's not my idol,
nor was he ever.
Who is your idol then?
Ray: Sarah McLoughlin.
OK. A word to react to...John Arch.
Ray: He's a great singer, I used to look up to him. He was a big
influence on my singing.
Do you like singing his stuff - the older Fates Warning tunes?
Ray: Yeah, I enjoy it. It's very high, but I enjoy it. I like
the old music as well, it's like doing covers for me.
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SELECTED FATES WARNING DISCOGRAPHY
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NIGHT ON BROCKEN (METAL BLADE '84)
THE SPECTRE WITHIN (METAL BLADE '85)
AWAKEN THE GUARDIAN (METAL BLADE '86)
NO EXIT (METAL BLADE '88)
PERFECT SYMMETRY (METAL BLADE '89)
PARALLELS (METAL BLADE '91)
INSIDE OUT (MASSACRE '94)
CHASING TIME (COMPILATION, MFN '95)
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Thanks to Jaap Wagemaker of Massacre and Marijn Vermunt of
"Avalanche" for arranging all of this!
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