"Take it easy, but take it."
Studs Terkel
AN INTERVIEW WITH THE X-COPS
by Richard Karsmakers and Erwin Jorksveld
(with special thanks to Dave Brockie for research assistance)
Maybe I'm losing my touch, I don't know. Before their concert at
the Utrecht Tivoli venue on March 6th 1996, a friend and myself
got the chance to interview X-Cops, off-shoot of infamous
neolithics Gwar. I went there and we did the interview, just as
planned, and the whole evening was most excellent until, three
days later, I checked out the tape to transcribe the interview
and found myself listening to myself talking to Fates Warning,
February 1995.
What could have gone wrong? I checked the walkman (a.k.a.
headache obliteration device) and found it had the "hold" switch
in the "on" position. This button, included to prevent the
walkman from accidentally switching on or off while it's located
in your pocket or attached to your belt, had effectively
prevented the recorder from actually recording anything.
Therefore, it had recorded nothing.
So what follows below is, as faithfully as possible but
nonetheless imperfect, what I recall of the interview and what
happened around it. It's not ideal, but it's better than nothing.
Because we had largely concentrated on Dave "X-Patrolman Cobb
Knobbler" Brockie, who tends to utter himself in rapid volleys of
colourful language, a lot of the details have been lost.
Tough whoppers <grin>.
While we were idling away time, waiting for Max the tour
manager, I suddenly spotted from the corner of mine eye Brad
Roberts (a.k.a. Jizmac da Gusha in Gwar). "Hey, aren't you
Jizmak?" I said, which was a somewhat cliché but nonetheless
effective way to get his attention and start a conversation. I
continued by asking exactly what the connection between X-Cops
and Gwar was. He replied that, actually, X-Cops were just about
all the musicians of Gwar.
He was quite dissatisfied with album sales, especially when he
heard that neither of us has been able to find their album,
"You Have the Right to Remain Silent", to be commonly available.
As a matter of fact, neither of us actually had been able to get
it within the week's notice we had for the interview. When we
went back to wait for Max, Brad went to a pay phone to call Metal
Blade USA collect and tell them they needed albums to sell at
forthcoming shows.
A bit later we got to talking with him again, as Max had still
failed to arrive. When he found out we actually had an
appointment for an interview (which we, somehow, hadn't mentioned
earlier) he said Max wasn't there yet but the entire band was in
their dressing room already. Would we want him to introduce us
there?
Do lemmings like cliffs?!
We were lead into the dressing room. Two guys were stretched out
on the floor, asleep, their heads lying on cop's uniforms. As
would turn out later, these were the drummer (Mike "X-Cadet Billy
Club" Dunn, who is not in Gwar) and rhythm guitarist (Balzac the
Jaws of Death in Gwar, X-Lt. Louis Scrapinetti in X-Cops). On the
other side sat a rather rotund fellow, apparently asleep on his
chair (Beefcake the Mighty in Gwar, the X-Sheriff Tubb Tucker in
X-Cops). At the far end of the room sat someone in a red Gwar T-
shirt practising guitar runs, his hair dishevelled proverbially
(Flattus Maximus in Gwar, X-Sgt. Al Depontsia in X-Cops). A
fairly small guy with a lip piercing (who later turned out to be
Bob Gorman, X-Sgt. Zypygski a.k.a. the Zipperpig in X-Cops) was
drawing art on one of the yellow Tivoli dressing room tables. Bob
lisps, seems shy, and actually can't sing very well at all.
Brad lead me to Dave Brockie (Oderus Urungus of Gwar, Cobb
Knobbler of X-Cops), who immediately started talking. His hair
was quite a bit longer ("a skinhead with hair," so he claimed)
than last time I'd seen him, at Wâldrock 1994, when it had been
virtually absent. He looked really harmless and, well, friendly,
actually.
This was the first X-Cops concert in Europe, he said, although
the band as a whole had toured previously as a "double bill" kind
of thing with Gwar in the United States. It had been really
tireing, which was something not at all hard to imagine.
Where were the other members of Gwar, the people who weren't in
X-Cops now?
Don "Sleazy P. Martini" Drakulich had appeared to retire
himself, Danyelle "Slymenstra Hymen" Stampe (my heroine!) was on
holiday in Austria and Chuck "Sexecutioner" Varga also appeared
to be dipping his toes in some or other idyllic pond in the Alps
somewhere. They had felt rather more like resting a bit after
Gwar's "Ragnarök" tour.
Where had the concept of X-Cops come from? A bit of history
maybe?
What followed was a verbal waterfall of Babylonic proportions.
They were all U.S. policemen who'd been kicked off the force,
blah blah, who'd not been able to restrain themselves while on
the job. Dave, describing himself as a Bay Area Gay Aryan, had
been cought buggering a couple of juvenile suspects, and Sheriff
"Tubb" Tucker had hit a couple of delinquent rather too
zealously.
YAWN.
A true story maybe? Whence this concept? Had they themselves
been in touch with the strong arm of the law, perhaps, and was
this some kind of half-arse attempt to get even?
Yes, that was quite on the dot. They'd all been in prison at one
time or other, he claimed with some pride, and after that wanted
to tell that he thought the European police force consisted only
of a bunch of sissies. Cavity searches were out of the question,
he said, dismayed, and he couldn't believe that the Dutch police
couldn't actually frisk anyone on the street, let alone kick them
to bits or ruthlessly sodomise them in a dark corner somewhere.
Dave constantly mixed fact and fiction, which was all nice and
dandy but really confusing when you have to try and remember
everything instead of just transcribing it from a cassette tape.
Had they actually been in prison or hadn't they? Well, it's not
that important anyway. An interview is an interview.
Dave did want to say, too, that the American Cops like them. The
Cops love X-Cops.
Didn't the real cops get the fact that X-Cops were just set up
to take the piss out of them? Anyway, I wondered what these guys
would think of what they were doing now in another, say, 10
years, when they all had kids themselves.
Well, Dave said, in another 10 years he hoped he'd still be
doing the same thing. Making music, partying, doing videos,
recording CDs. Getting rid of wild hair seemed an alien concept
to him. He did hope they would by then have back all the rights
to the Gwar and X-Cops catalogue, so that all the rather rare
Gwar videos ("Tour de Scum", "Skullhedface") and, for example,
the X-Cops CD would be more readily available.
Dave just talked on and on. He's got an almost uncommonly loud,
raspy voice. During the interview I often wondered how the hell
some of the others could still maintain a state resembling
sleep. What did he expect of the concert? I told him that,
although the doors had been open for a while now, the total
audience attendance could be counted on the fingers of a
sawmill's employee.
He told me they'd kick some ass regardless.
There were a few barrels of red fluid in a corner, I saw, so I
asked him if it would be safe to stand quite close with a camera
and take pictures, or if I'd perhaps be safer retreating in the
back, resorting to the use of a tele-lens.
No problem, he said, because X-Cops never used much of that
stuff anyway, especially when compared to Gwar.
We traditionally closed off the interview with a few words to
react to, but the reactions refuse to be recalled, mostly. They
didn't hold MTV too highly, but that didn't surprise me.
"Religion" was nonsense, and "Holland" just made the word "Coffee
Shops" bubble to the surface. So I had seen it right when I'd
walked in and saw him using a water pipe.
The whole interview had taken about three quarters of an hour to
do, so there must have been a lot that I've forgotten, especially
because Dave talked so much. We spent the last five minutes
collecting signatures, and Dave restored the "Baby Dick Fuck"
artwork that had been censored away in the booklet of my
(American) copy of "This Toilet Earth". That was really kinda
cool of him to do.
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THE ULTIMATE "WHO'S WHO" GUIDE TO GWAR, X-COPS AND MISCELLANEOUS
INDIVIDUALS AROUND THEM
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Michael (Mike) Bishop ("America must be Destroyed" - "Toilet")
Gwar: Beefcake the Mighty Bass
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Danny Black ("America must be Destroyed")
Gwar: ?
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Mike Bonner ("America Must be Destroyed" - current)
Gwar: Slave Slave
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David (Dave) Brockie ("Hello-O" - current)
Born 30 August 1963
Gwar: Oderus Urungus Vocals
X-Cops: X-Patrolman Cobb Knobbler Bass, occasional vocals
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Michael (Mike) Derks ("Scumdogs of the Universe" - current)
Gwar: Balsac the Jaws of Death Guitar
X-Cops: Lt. Louis Scrappinetti Guitar
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Steve Douglas ("Hell-O")
Gwar: Balsac the Jaws of Death Guitar
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Don Drakulich ("Scumdogs of the Universe" - "Ragnarök")
Gwar: Sleazy P. Martini 'Manager', artist,
occasional vocals
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Mike Dunn (X-Cops only)
X-Cops: X-Cadet Billy Club Drums
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Liz Fairbairn (?)
Gwar: ?
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Bob (Bobby) Gorman ("America must be Destroyed" - current)
Gwar: Artist
X-Cops: X-Sgt. Zypygski Occasional vox, artist
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Rick Griggs ("America must be Destroyed")
Gwar: ?
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Ethan Isenberg ("Ragnarök" - current)
Gwar: Human beatbox
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Hunter Jackson ("Hello-O" - current)
Gwar: Artist
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Scott Krahl ("America must be Destroyed" - current)
Gwar: Skullhedface / Slave Occasional vox, slave
He is also the computer buff and Internet person
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Peter (Pete) Lee ("America must be Destroyed" - current)
Gwar: Flattus Maximus Guitar
X-Cops: Sgt. Al Depontsia Guitar
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Matt Maguire ("This Toilet Earth" - current)
Gwar: Road manager and artist
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Melanie Mandl ("America must be Destroyed" - "Toilet")
Gwar: ?
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Robert Margouleff ("Ragnarök")
Gwar: Producer ("Ragnarök") and backing vocals
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Rob Mosby ("Hell-O")
Gwar: Nippleus Erectus Drums
(Trivia: Was credited with the drums on "Scumdogs of the
Universe", though in fact Jizmak played them)
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Dave Musel ("Hell-O" - current)
Gwar: Dave Musel Keyboards and samples
X-Cops: X-Detective Philip McRevis Keyboards and samples
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Charlie O'Donovan ("Ragnarök" - current)
Gwar: ?
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Casey Orr ("Ragnarök" - current)
Gwar: Beefcake the Mighty Bass
X-Cops: Sheriff Tubb Tucker Vocals, occasional bass
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Brad Roberts ("Scumdogs of the Universe" - current)
Gwar: Jizmak da Gusha Drums
X-Cops: X-Mountainbike Officer Biff Buff
Occasional drums and vox
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Dewey Rowell ("Hell-O" - "Scumdogs of the Universe")
Gwar: Flattus Maximus Guitar
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Danielle/Danyell Stampe ("Scumdogs of the Universe" - current)
Gwar: Slymenstra Hymen Occasional vox, dancing
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Chuck Varga ("Hello-O" - current)
Gwar: Sexicutioner Occasional vocals, artist
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Scott Wolfe ("American Must be Destroyed" - "This Toilet Earth")
Gwar: Producer ("This Toilet Earth"), not actually in Gwar
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? ("Hello-o" - "Scumdogs of the Universe" (?))
Gwar: Techno Destructo Occasional vocals
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